Comments on: Online Law Degree Approved by American Bar Association http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/ Education Blog Thu, 17 May 2012 00:59:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Jim http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-150631 Jim Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:29:58 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-150631 Currently I've found four online law schools based in California that allow you to sit for the California Bar Exam. They are not endorsed by the ABA but upon completion of the four year course and upon completeing the "Baby Bar" after your first year of study and passing the California State Bar upon graduation you can practise unrestricted in the state of California and a small handful of other states but what interested me is the fact that although many individual states still are being hard-headed and insisting upon 2-10 years experience before honoring the California Bar Exam the Federal Government has no such reservations so any focus of law at the federal level can be pursued without the predudise and ignorance that is being leveled out toward non-traditional students. To clarify this you can practice law in your home state as long as you handle federal cases such as Immigration, Social Security, ect, so you can work for the Federal Court system as a public defender, the possibilties are very open. I intend to practise in the realm of S.S. Disability. Don't let the "Good Ole Boy Club" and the crusty old ABA prevent you from attaining your dreams and ambition. Currently I’ve found four online law schools based in California that allow you to sit for the California Bar Exam. They are not endorsed by the ABA but upon completion of the four year course and upon completeing the “Baby Bar” after your first year of study and passing the California State Bar upon graduation you can practise unrestricted in the state of California and a small handful of other states but what interested me is the fact that although many individual states still are being hard-headed and insisting upon 2-10 years experience before honoring the California Bar Exam the Federal Government has no such reservations so any focus of law at the federal level can be pursued without the predudise and ignorance that is being leveled out toward non-traditional students. To clarify this you can practice law in your home state as long as you handle federal cases such as Immigration, Social Security, ect, so you can work for the Federal Court system as a public defender, the possibilties are very open. I intend to practise in the realm of S.S. Disability. Don’t let the “Good Ole Boy Club” and the crusty old ABA prevent you from attaining your dreams and ambition.

]]> By: Josh http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-136471 Josh Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:09:51 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-136471 Can I ask a question? Does anyone know why the Socratic Method is valued by law schools? Is not because of a desire to bring out from the student a realization of true understanding? Isn't it to help the individual to formulate opinions, and to challenge preconceptions? Should the study of law ever be marginalized? Doesn't it have the potential to influence dramatically, either for great good or for great evil? Shouldn't a lawyer know within himself that he is doing what is best for his clients? Isn't the Socratic Method exactly what I have been demonstrating in this post? My question for the ABA is: Did I demonstrate the Socratic Method verbally or in writing? Is not the Socratic Method utilized online, in the form of essays, in answer to assigned questions, even more effectively than in the limited amount of time a group of students have in a traditional law school classroom? Shouldn't the use of Socratic Method in online schools be embraced as the natural progression for the most effective legal education? I await your response. Can I ask a question?

Does anyone know why the Socratic Method is valued by law schools? Is not because of a desire to bring out from the student a realization of true understanding? Isn’t it to help the individual to formulate opinions, and to challenge preconceptions?

Should the study of law ever be marginalized? Doesn’t it have the potential to influence dramatically, either for great good or for great evil? Shouldn’t a lawyer know within himself that he is doing what is best for his clients?

Isn’t the Socratic Method exactly what I have been demonstrating in this post?

My question for the ABA is: Did I demonstrate the Socratic Method verbally or in writing?

Is not the Socratic Method utilized online, in the form of essays, in answer to assigned questions, even more effectively than in the limited amount of time a group of students have in a traditional law school classroom?

Shouldn’t the use of Socratic Method in online schools be embraced as the natural progression for the most effective legal education?

I await your response.

]]> By: mark http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-99261 mark Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:08:23 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-99261 Where you go to law school really doesn't matter. What matters is your passion for law and the time you dedicate to the study of the law. Online study is the future of education. That's a fact.The majority of people go to law school to make "big money" and work at "Big name law firms". I have a friend who loves studying law, he is not a lawyer and he wins cases. He puts more time into cases and studying law than any attorney I have come across. That is what matters most, having a passion and love for your chosen field. When you go to an ABA school and take the bar exam you become a servant. You can be disbarred and lose your license to practice law. When you study to be an attorney and don't take the bar you are free to be a free reign lawyer. No one can report you to anyone. no one can take away a license you don't have. You are now an ordinary citizen who has legal acumen and you go to court and fight. think about that. wanting to be a player in a "big name law firm" and your only goal is to make "big money" is never a reason to be an attorney. unless you want to be a thief. Where you go to law school really doesn’t matter. What matters is your passion for law and the time you dedicate to the study of the law. Online study is the future of education. That’s a fact.The majority of people go to law school to make “big money” and work at “Big name law firms”. I have a friend who loves studying law, he is not a lawyer and he wins cases. He puts more time into cases and studying law than any attorney I have come across. That is what matters most, having a passion and love for your chosen field. When you go to an ABA school and take the bar exam you become a servant. You can be disbarred and lose your license to practice law. When you study to be an attorney and don’t take the bar you are free to be a free reign lawyer. No one can report you to anyone. no one can take away a license you don’t have. You are now an ordinary citizen who has legal acumen and you go to court and fight. think about that. wanting to be a player in a “big name law firm” and your only goal is to make “big money” is never a reason to be an attorney. unless you want to be a thief.

]]> By: Barbara http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-96121 Barbara Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:05:11 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-96121 I am what one would consider a non-traditional student, female retiree who would like to attend an online JD program in New York state with the goal to one day work for the EEOC. Recently, I was told by an attorney in the field that they have cut positions significantly due to the current economic situation. Nonetheless, the need is there. Given the current economic situation across the country, why wouldn't there be available on-line law programs for those of us who are pursuing a(second)career and who have the life experiences and substantial work experience, analytical reasoning skills notwithstanding, to pursue a law degree without the hurdles to overcome to gain admission. When I applied to a traditional brick and mortar school, they evaluated me on my "undergraduate GPA"(from 30 years ago)taking that into consideration over 36 years work experience as an educator in various leadership positions most of which were advocating for others and various programs and not unlike what lawyers do on a daily basis. Why can't the APA leap into the 21st century to recognize the need for expanding a legal education online, and to make it accessible for those of us who have a passion to help others? As one other writer stated, it would be a win-win situation for Universities who would increase revenue significantly while allowing those of us to "be all that we can" in pursuit of a legal education. I am what one would consider a non-traditional student, female retiree who would like to attend an online JD program in New York state with the goal to one day work for the EEOC. Recently, I was told by an attorney in the field that they have cut positions significantly due to the current economic situation. Nonetheless, the need is there. Given the current economic situation across the country, why wouldn’t there be available on-line law programs for those of us who are pursuing a(second)career and who have the life experiences and substantial work experience, analytical reasoning skills notwithstanding, to pursue a law degree without the hurdles to overcome to gain admission. When I applied to a traditional brick and mortar school, they evaluated me on my “undergraduate GPA”(from 30 years ago)taking that into consideration over 36 years work experience as an educator in various leadership positions most of which were advocating for others and various programs and not unlike what lawyers do on a daily basis. Why can’t the APA leap into the 21st century to recognize the need for expanding a legal education online, and to make it accessible for those of us who have a passion to help others? As one other writer stated, it would be a win-win situation for Universities who would increase revenue significantly while allowing those of us to “be all that we can” in pursuit of a legal education.

]]> By: Mary http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-90311 Mary Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:33:05 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-90311 It is possible to enter the law profession without going to an expensive, on campus only school. California is currently the only state with a program for students graduating from an online school, or even a correspondence school. The school has to be registered with the California bar examiners board so don't just sign up for any program, check first. California and several other states also have what they call Judges Chambers programs where you can be mentored by a lawyer and then take the bar exam. If you want more information about California's program for students who want to take the Bar exam after graduating from an online school then check out my page on this subject here: http://www.online-college-happy-place.com/aba-accredited-law-degrees-online.html From there you can follow the links to how to become a lawyer without going to law school. I'm sorry lugo but Alaska does not appear to have such a program, although Washington state does. Kevin -- the guy in Massachusetts who sued (pro se) the state board of bar examiners for the right to take the bar was named Mitchell Ross. You can read his case here http://www.socialaw.com/slip.htm?cid=18620&sid=120. Part of the reason the judges decided in his favor was because the ABA was in the process of reformulating their stance regarding online distance learning venues. One judge dissented saying they should wait to see what the ABA decides vis a vis online schools before MA allows online JD's. BTW Ross was already a licensed attorney in California. Good luck everybody! If you want to join the ranks of licensed attorneys -- and you're poor or you've got heavy responsibilities don't be discouraged. Other people have done it and so can you. Don't give up. It is possible to enter the law profession without going to an expensive, on campus only school. California is currently the only state with a program for students graduating from an online school, or even a correspondence school. The school has to be registered with the California bar examiners board so don’t just sign up for any program, check first.

California and several other states also have what they call Judges Chambers programs where you can be mentored by a lawyer and then take the bar exam.

If you want more information about California’s program for students who want to take the Bar exam after graduating from an online school then check out my page on this subject here: http://www.online-college-happy-place.com/aba-accredited-law-degrees-online.html From there you can follow the links to how to become a lawyer without going to law school. I’m sorry lugo but Alaska does not appear to have such a program, although Washington state does.

Kevin — the guy in Massachusetts who sued (pro se) the state board of bar examiners for the right to take the bar was named Mitchell Ross. You can read his case here http://www.socialaw.com/slip.htm?cid=18620&sid=120. Part of the reason the judges decided in his favor was because the ABA was in the process of reformulating their stance regarding online distance learning venues. One judge dissented saying they should wait to see what the ABA decides vis a vis online schools before MA allows online JD’s. BTW Ross was already a licensed attorney in California.

Good luck everybody! If you want to join the ranks of licensed attorneys — and you’re poor or you’ve got heavy responsibilities don’t be discouraged. Other people have done it and so can you. Don’t give up.

]]> By: Jennifer http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-90241 Jennifer Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:44:47 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-90241 Thanks for the information all. I too have long desired a career in law, but gave up on that dream once I became a single parent. I do live in CA so it is nice to know I may still have an opportunity to make my dream a reality. Just curious to see if anyone in CA has obtained a JD online & is now practicing law & what their experience was with that? I will look into the schools mentioned above & I only hope the ABA does look into approving online education, especially since online JD's are still a JD, most of these programs seem to take 4 years, which would be the same time as a part-time program in a traditional school, and unless you have a trust fund, I don't know of anyone (especially in CA) who can afford to support themselves without full time employment. As I have researched law programs in traditional schools, and most of the programs have a requirement that the student cannot have a job to qualify for a full-time program (which is kind of ridiculous if you ask me), unless the traditional schools plan on including room, board, food, transportation, and possibly daycare in their tuition costs, they need to be realistic to the needs of potential students. I also think it would be better for the schools to do online JD's, as it would create more revenue for the school. It would be a win-win situation for all, lets just hope the ABA changes how they approve a law program soon. Thanks for the information all. I too have long desired a career in law, but gave up on that dream once I became a single parent. I do live in CA so it is nice to know I may still have an opportunity to make my dream a reality. Just curious to see if anyone in CA has obtained a JD online & is now practicing law & what their experience was with that? I will look into the schools mentioned above & I only hope the ABA does look into approving online education, especially since online JD’s are still a JD, most of these programs seem to take 4 years, which would be the same time as a part-time program in a traditional school, and unless you have a trust fund, I don’t know of anyone (especially in CA) who can afford to support themselves without full time employment. As I have researched law programs in traditional schools, and most of the programs have a requirement that the student cannot have a job to qualify for a full-time program (which is kind of ridiculous if you ask me), unless the traditional schools plan on including room, board, food, transportation, and possibly daycare in their tuition costs, they need to be realistic to the needs of potential students. I also think it would be better for the schools to do online JD’s, as it would create more revenue for the school. It would be a win-win situation for all, lets just hope the ABA changes how they approve a law program soon.

]]> By: lawschool http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-81501 lawschool Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:50:04 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-81501 Thomas Jefferson School of Law is wilderness of ABA-approved online law degrees.Thomas Jefferson School of Law offers an online degree — the LL.M., or Master of Laws degree. The focus of this advanced law degree is on international tax and financial services, intertwine the latest educational technology with top legal talent. Thomas Jefferson School of Law is wilderness of ABA-approved online law degrees.Thomas Jefferson School of Law offers an online degree — the LL.M., or Master of Laws degree. The focus of this advanced law degree is on international tax and financial services, intertwine the latest educational technology with top legal talent.

]]> By: Kevin http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-79011 Kevin Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:54:08 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-79011 Miguel, Can you provide any further information regarding the individual from MA who was ultimately able to take the BAR there? I am in a similar situation, obviously this is an important precedent. Thanks, Kevin Miguel,

Can you provide any further information regarding the individual from MA who was ultimately able to take the BAR there?

I am in a similar situation, obviously this is an important precedent.

Thanks,
Kevin

]]> By: KevinH http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-73821 KevinH Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:53:55 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-73821 Someone correct me if I am wrong. One plan I thought of was to finish my JD at Northwestern Cal. School of Law, earn my LLM at Thomas Jefferson ( or not even go to Tjsl), waive into Washington D.C., which has reciprocity with many states. Then practice in my state. Someone correct me if I am wrong. One plan I thought of was to finish my JD at Northwestern Cal. School of Law, earn my LLM at Thomas Jefferson ( or not even go to Tjsl), waive into Washington D.C., which has reciprocity with many states. Then practice in my state.

]]> By: Much thanks http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degrees/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-27921 Much thanks Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:33:38 +0000 http://blog.directoryofschools.com/online-degree/online-law-degree-approved-by-american-bar-association/#comment-27921 Thanks for explaining that point, everything is clearer now. Thanks for explaining that point, everything is clearer now.

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